Norton Internet Security - I’m Done With You.
Personal July 31st, 2007
I’ve stuck by Norton (Symantec) for many years now on both my personal and business machines, but have never recommended the anti virus software to friends, family, or associates due to a barrage of reasons. In fact, when I install anti virus or security software for others, it tends to be anything but a Norton product.
Last night while uninstalling Norton Internet Security (which was purchased against my recommendations) from a family member’s computer due to an expired subscription I had an epiphany – If I can’t honestly recommend this software to others, why should I be using it myself?
Why I used Norton Internet Security.
I used the product because it is what I’ve always been used to. During my stay in the world of corporate IT, we used Symantec products, and Norton Antivirus specifically. In my opinion, it was a great product at one time – and it still does do the job (sort of), but there were always so many negatives that I had to look past due to the almighty dollar.
Beyond that, my main business machine also doubles as a gaming rig, so it’s chalked full of upgrades and special parts. I never really noticed many of the slowdowns and problems like my girlfriend did on her Lenovo R51e laptop… that is, until I started writing to this blog from it.
Why I can no longer use Norton Internet Security.
Not only is the program bulky, but it runs multiple computer processes to do similar tasks. At any given time, Norton has anywhere between five to ten processes running on my machine. It isn’t an issue with ram since I normally have two gigs free, but this does but a strain on the processing power.
The truth is the product itself isn’t even that good. Here, I made a list:
1. CPU and Ram hog.
2. Too many processes for similar tasks. Seriously.
3. Virus definitions are far and few in between.
4. Virus scans are slow to run, and take up too much processing power.
5. Anti spam is moderate at best, you’re better off using Outlook’s built in filter.
6. The application is no longer user friendly. The GUI is terrible.
7. Installation, Repairs, and Uninstall processes are painfully slow.
8. NIS doesn’t catch all of the spyware/malware.
9. NIS doesn’t catch all of the viruses.
10. It causes too many reboot and shut down issues.
… And that is only a partial list.
To quote jmlloyd: “They’ve sold their user functionality for last quarter’s profits.”
The Uninstall process from hell.
Apparently Symantec did not want me to remove their product. Not only would it freeze on “removing browser component”, it wouldn’t allow me to remove the product in safe mode via add/remove programs. To completely wipe my computer clean of Norton Internet Security 2007, it took nearly two hours of reboots and registry hacks to get the job done.
By the way – don’t bother calling their support line, unless you enjoy speaking to customer service representatives from India.
What I replaced Norton Internet Security 2007 with.
Enter Avast Home Edition. Avast is a free anti-virus that I have been running successfully on my father’s computer for nearly two years with zero issues. Not only is it free, it’s also surprisingly fast and sleek. It may not have every bell and whistle that Norton has, but it more than makes up for that with top notch service and functionality.
If you’d like to purchase an anti-virus software, I recommend going with Trend Micro. They do a great job and offer plenty of support to back up their internet protection and anti spam products.
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August 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Try this, even if you have manually uninstalled—–
Using the Norton uninstall tool
You will still have various Norton files scattered about, but all will be inert. You can delete them whenever you come across them.
August 11th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
I gave up on Norton years ago. I originally tried AVG but found in one instance that when i uninstalled it and installed Avast!, Avast! found a trojan that AVG had missed. I’ve been sold on Avast! ever since.
August 11th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
I agree with your conclusions. I liked it at one time, I continue to use it now through habit, but this year is the last. Avast, you say?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:50 am
Agreed, been using Avast! for about a year now… easily the best anti virus I’ve ever used (including those I’ve paid for) and it’s free for personal use, just have to register to get the key (14 months). It also protects you with active web monitoring, P2P, IM, mail, etc… just phenomenal protection. Definitely worth taking a look at if you want decent protection. (and free is always a plus)
check it out - http://www.avast.com/
August 12th, 2007 at 7:01 am
McAfee is the same maybe worse. It is my feeling that running Norton and McAfee are akin to running viruses themselves. In fact many viruses and spyware are easier to remove then these products.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:40 am
Totally agree - I now use Avira Antivirus which I actually find better than AVG!
August 12th, 2007 at 9:38 am
Yep. Norton Sucks.
It USED to be a fairly decent program, but over the years I have noticed that as Norton has eaten up the market share via pre-installation on new computers, it has become worse and worse. I am a computer consultant, and I have had SO MANY problems with Norton that its not even funny. In fact I have had people bring me their computers for repair after they have put Norton on because it slows their computer down so much, and because they can’t remove it. If you have problems - forget Norton Support! The support options for Norton 360 are: Paid phone support, look it up yourself in the mostly useless knowledgebase, or spend hours doing web chat with some useless tech from India. Yeah!
So yeah - Norton sucks.
August 13th, 2007 at 2:57 am
I love Avast. Unfortunately, I had to uninstall it on my Windows machine (which I barely use, as I’m primarily on Linux). My reason is because it greatly increased the time required to boot up, log in, and have all my programs easily accessible. Windows is of course naturally slow, but Avast made it worse. I was thinking of turning it off from auto-starting, but I couldn’t find that option in the first five minutes so I went the uninstall route.
Still, I recommend it to all my Windows friends who are virus-ridden even with other software.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:17 am
I could get McAfee and Symantec for free from the DoD for home use, but after seeing their terrible performance on the networks I manage I switched to Avast. I recommend Avast to all of my friends, coworkers, and customers. Everyone who I know that has switched to it no longer has any malware problems.
August 13th, 2007 at 10:13 am
Hey guys,
Thanks for all of the feedback. I really appreciate that and was initially afraid that my Norton bashing entry may fall on deaf ears.
Beyond Avast, does anyone who’s reading use another product with excellent results? (Paid or Free)
August 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
I personally recommend ClamWin antivirus to all of my clients, it is small, efficient, effective, and free. I haven’t noticed any issues with slowdown on any of the machines I have installed it on. Luckily, I don’t have to use such ridiculous and unnecessary cpu sinks as antivirus/spyware/malware/whatever as a Linux user, but every techie needs these things in their repertoire.
August 14th, 2007 at 2:38 am
I use Comodo. They’ve got firewall and AV packages. Haven’t seen any degradation in performance. Anyone else use it?
August 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
I havent tried Comodo yet - but will!
You know, some of these “Lesser known” antivirus companies should consider re-naming their products.
Why? Well Grisoft has AVG antivirus - AVG is common shorthand for “average”. Do we want virus protection that is average?
Comodo - The first thing that comes to mind for me is “commode” - not exactly a stellar comparison either! lol
Avast - Dictionary .com defines it as:
a·vast /əˈvæst, əˈvɑst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-vast, uh-vahst] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (imperative) Nautical.
(used as a command to stop or cease): Avast heaving!
I guess that KINDA makes sense!
Anyway - just goofing around!
August 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
I use the Simantec products since 1 year now with satisfaction against viruses, however in combination with a better adware and spyware product that i use on a daily base:Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE Personal even at the same time (however slower then). To clean-up the registry i use the freeware SE Personal. Its true that Norton is slow but only in manual scanning mode. I also NEVER mis an update of enything.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:32 am
The problem with ClamWin is it does not do real-time scanning so viruses can run wild on your machine until you do your next scan and find them. However, it is exactly the real-time scannning that makes many anti virus programs hog so much CPU and other resources all the time.
But, I rarely use Windows so I don’t worry about it much. Just use Linux and don’t worry about all this crap! Enjoy 100% of your CPU!
August 15th, 2007 at 8:24 am
No AV is used here except an online scan with Kaspersky or one of the others every couple of months or so with nothing ever being found, not even a tracking cookie.
FF with Noscript runs through Sandboxie which will stop any and all inet borne attacks.
Returnil is another virtualisation app that I use which will put your system back to it’s exact state upon reboot.
Sandboxie and Returnil are both free apps and if you give them a chance to get used to I doubt you will be without them.
If you think you really need a spyware scanner then look at using SuperAntiSpyware or Avast for an AV.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Gee, I don’t need no stinking AV, nor any of the other ‘Protection Racket’ Microsoft “Trusted Partner” scams.
I run Gnu/Linux, on all of my PCs. On my 7 Macs, I can run it, or BSD, or the Mac OSes.
All the same, concurrent multi-processing Unix is stable, fast, secure.
Also, there are the thousands of apps. and games, for them. Most of you just don’t know about it, yet.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:00 am
Norton does suck but I prefer Bit defender I find it catches almost all things and is user friendly .I had some problems when I tried Avast.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:47 am
I am testing Avast now and liking it. I have used Norton and the main problems I had with Norton were hogging resources away from games and not being able to turn it off. I even asked tech support and was not able to turn it off without uninstalling.
August 17th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Clickfire, glad to hear that you’ve seen the light :). Norton’s tech support was very unhelpful to say the least (in my experiences).
August 19th, 2007 at 4:42 am
Why is nobody mentioning NOD32???
This antivirus is gold!
This one has the best unknown virus detection tools ever + loads of updates daily* and you can barely feel it’s load on the machine, the last time I formatted my disk was 4 years ago, and I have nod to thank for that..
btw - Symantec is a pain, steer clear of it ppl.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Thanks, I have found some good info here and I am ready to purge the demon on Norton from my computers! I fix computers for a lot of family and friends and a big part of time , their problems stem from Norton! I have used Computer Associates AV on one computer and it does a good job and updated regularly. I think I will give this Avast a try. It looks like it has some good reviews! Thanks again.
August 20th, 2007 at 4:17 am
I have been asked by several friends and neighbors to look at their computers over the last couple of years when they have experienced problems. Every on of them had a virus of some sort that had circumvented, guess what, Norton! Norton had effectively been disabled and was sitting there being “laughed at” by the virus.
The answer each time was to install Avast, it found the problems, cleaned up and restored a machine its former glory. Just a shame it can’t remove the ultimate virus - Norton.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:36 pm
I did it. I cleaned Norton off my computers and my family’s and it sure works better! I did Avast on them and it is great. It found 2 trojans on 2 computers! Norton failed again! I also did AVG on a Windows 98 computer and It is also pretty cool. I’m so happy to be rid of Norton!
August 21st, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Congrats Tim, and welcome to the light at the end of the tunnel :).
August 25th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
i agree about your points with Norton but I’ve never had issues uninstalling on home or corporate levels. at best it’s annoying that it may not unload the updater (another reboot to remove)…but where you got your two ours of issues is beyound me…unless you are a clean freak…
September 8th, 2007 at 5:05 am
hi
i get tried from AVG antivirus and i begin with norton 360 all in secure yesterday and i want to know which program is the best like i hear now avira antivir personaledition classic or avast home edition or ……………………………………etc.
September 8th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Hi Sarah,
I have been using Avast anti-virus and it has been really good. It works real time to block viruses and it shows when it does block. It updates regularly and it is completely free for the personal home edition. I like it so much better than Norton. You can get it at Avast.com.
September 9th, 2007 at 9:38 am
YA may be avast is a good one but i need ur opinion about norton 360 it is a new one and faster then any norton before .
i know that it is not for free and it is the most expensive one 80 euro but i want really ur opinion about it from anyone had it tried before.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:00 am
Shawn - I think that it really depends on the system. There are so many variables involved with Windows XP and how it’s going to react to any uninstall process of that magnitude. Hopefully there aren’t any issues with uninstallation and most of the time there probably isn’t - but it did happen to me and I have to assume (judging by the response) that it’s happened to plenty of others as well.
Sarah, the average user rating out of nearly 200 users is 4.2/10 for Norton 360. To be honest, it looks like Norton is up to their same old CPU hogging tricks.